In this conversation, I speak with Jocelyn Mercado during the Embracing Radical Change online event. We discuss the current state of the world and how we can allow ourselves to be present as we experience the full range of emotions from horror to hope. Jocelyn and I explore how we have a choice to turn away or turn toward the intensity and knowing that we are living in momentous times. I shared highlights from my book, A New Republic of the Heart, which I refer to as a metaphor for our times. Jocelyn asked me about: consensus trance; whole systems change; and cultural transformation. I shared how we must each live with a curiosity and aliveness to be a conduit through which a healthier way of existence can find its way into the world.